Why I’m DONE using CARBON FIBER trekking poles

I have used a number of Carbon Fiber trekking poled and had the same ending result with each one. Why I’m moving on from them and what I prefer to use

➜ CNOC Outdoors Discounted Aluminum Poles ($25): https://cnocoutdoors.com/collections/all/products/vertex-aluminum-trekking-poles

Aluminum Trekking poles I use & recommend :
➜ Black Diamond Alpine FLZ (Current Poles): http://amzn.to/2GK9Kti

➜ Black Diamond Trail Pro: http://amzn.to/2GK13PH

➜ Black Diamond Trail Pro Shock (My AT Poles):
http://amzn.to/2poPZza

➜ Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork: http://amzn.to/2HMONgp

➜ Black Diamond Trail Back: http://amzn.to/2FX7QEB

➜ Leki Micro Vario Cor-tec: http://amzn.to/2FUltUU

➜ Leki Corklite; http://amzn.to/2ppoIxq

➜ CNOC Outdoors Aluminum & Cork: http://amzn.to/2FOVsdy

➜ Black Diamond Flex Tip parts: http://amzn.to/2HPcwwB

Carbon Fiber Poles I recommend(strong reviews):
➜ Black Diamond Alpine Carbon Cork: http://amzn.to/2FWlckn

➜ Leki Micro Vario Carbon: http://amzn.to/2G5WPUK

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Comments

Mike Neri says:

In all fairness, if I wedged a pole I’m guessing I’d do some damage too. Currently using Slav aluminum poles. Just saying…

Krattsignup Jack says:

Love the Minnesota hat! 10,000 lakes friend got my state park plates, great videos.

Lady D says:

I can’t watch a video about poles without mentioning: Pacerpole

The handles are amazingly comfortable bc they’re actually shaped for ergonomic use/left and right sides.

I have CRPS in 3/4 of my body, including my entire right side. Most poles cause me more pain, these actually help reduce my pain and enable me to hike *FAR* further.

Long as these poles are available I won’t be using anything else.

Last I checked they did offer a couple different types as far as what they’re made of.

For those of you that take a lot of video, they also have a place for your camera to attach to =}

~I am in NO WAY affiliated with this company, I just absolutely *LOVE* their poles!!!

wjennin1 says:

Sheesh dude, you must be hard on poles then. Plenty of people make entire thru hikes plus with one set of carbon poles.

trailkrum says:

I have a PhD in composite materials engineering, and I exclusively use aluminum trekking poles — you’ve made the right call! Notably the BD FLZ!

Btw, temperature within the operating range only has minimal effect on the pole strength. The torsional load case in the vicinity of the handle and the through-thickness/radial load components especially are the real culprit. Aluminum is much tougher in this direction, whereas carbon fibre-reinforced polymer (CFRP) laminates are notoriously weak out-of-plane and tend to delaminate.

Russell Kintner says:

Some things you didn’t cover were…..

1.) Stream crossings

2.) Bare rock above treeline

Think New Hampshire on the AT. I live and do most of my hiking in New England. Last summer I did a 5 day solo trip through the Pemigewasset Wilderness, Garfield Ridge, and Franconia Ridge. I don’t use trekking poles as I don’t find them strong enough. As you noted in another video, they tend to break whether they are aluminum or carbon fiber. I also find that the length adjustments slip and can’t be trusted. I use a staff made from a 62 inch hickory dowel 1 1/4 inches in diameter and fitted with a brass ferrule at the bottom with a rubber foot that can be removed to expose a stainless steel spike. The top end is capped with another brass ferrule epoxied in place just to prevent the wood from splintering.

I won’t go into how I adjust for length when going uphill or downhill but suffice to say that you are right, the ability to seamlessly transition to a shorter or longer length is the key to happiness and safety.

What I like about my staff is the strength. It’s a single piece of hickory, the strongest North American hardwood. It won’t slip and it won’t break. I weigh 220 lbs. I’ve put this thing across the “V” in two trees and done pull ups on it. I can put all my weight on it with a 55 lb pack and it doesn’t even flex. Since there is no clamp to adjust length, it’s impossible for it to suddenly collapse just when you have all your weight on it.

The downside…..weight. My staff as constructed weights about 2 lbs. But the thing has saved me from so many falls, stumbles, and unwanted dunkings streams, I’d never hike without it on anything but flat terrain with no crossings of moving water. I though it would be a problem but I’m being honest when I say I’ve carried it for 8-10 hour days shifting back and forth from my left to my right hands and I was surprised that it didn’t really seem to wear down my arms. You tend to get good at using its inertia to swing it rather than your muscle to push or lift it.

Having 3 or 4 points of contact when moving up or down rugged terrain with weight on your back is really helpful. If you think about it, with just your legs, you only have a single point of contact every time you take a step. Having a staff or poles means you’ll always have at least 2 or 3 points of contact. That makes balancing much easier when you’re carrying an unnatural weight on your back across uneven terrain.

The stream crossing thing can’t be overstated here in New England. On that trip last summer, I had to cross 18 streams of various sizes and depths. The average width was probably 50 feet. Depths at the crossing point ranged from 2 – 3 feet max. I managed all 18 crossings fairly quickly mostly by rock hopping without ever taking a swim. The worst slip had me in just over the top of one boot for a few seconds near the end of one crossing. I know for a fact that if I didn’t have that 3rd point of contact on wet , algae covered rocks, I would have been doing my fabulous impression of a beached whale in a few of those streams. Or, I would have been stopping to remove my boots and use a set of camp shoes to wade across the streams.

I can’t remember how many times that extra stability has saved me from a stumble on a rock or tree root when I’m tired and not paying attention or descending a muddy rocky stream bank or just constantly going up and down rocky terrain on a ridge above treeline.

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Lara Swanland says:

Not totally related, but… where did you get your hat? 🙂

Greg West says:

Wrong application for the material.
you never want it exposed to side pressures etc.
Can’t trust it, no matter how much you believe in it when mis-applied.

Now Hike This says:

Ive been using Black Diamond Distance Z for over a year and Im really happy with them. I’d love to try a pair of CNOC poles too. Im very impressed with the Vecto so Im sure their poles are great!

Steven Syrko says:

just a random question, since you have stated you have broken several brands of Carbon Fiber trekking poles.  do you think it might be how you actually use the poles? just asking since you also stated you tend to break the tips off vs just wearing them down.  Just seems like your self taught style is wrong.  as you have also stated you tend to drive the pole so hard that they tend to stick into the ground.  This should only happen in very wet/muddy conditions.   I know you tube is all opinion based, but as you know your opinion is also taken with a little more weight; then say joe bob from down the street.

1121gsm says:

I Googled “Knock on doors” to see what poles you were talking about. Finally I found “Cnoc Outdoors” which is what you were talking about. Speak more clearly and spell out product terms. But I really liked your video and I agree. I first had a pair of cheap aluminum poles that were very good. Then as my trekking progressed I had to have the “best” poles so I got some Black Diamond and then REI Z poles (both carbon fiber). I like the cheap ones better.

Jeffrey Wong says:

Do you have a license to drill for oil while driving your trekking poles into the ground? Lol.
Black diamond replaced a set of Carbon Distance Z poles for me. Linking mechanism retracted into a section on one pole, and the tip fell off the other. The basket, an inch closer to the tip than most other poles, would so frequently catch on rocks and roots–maddening! Loved the light weight of those for 900 miles but gave up the poles for durability issue. Currently, I’m experimenting with a DIY carbon three piece, fixed length pole that weighs about 3.5 oz each.
Cheers!

L. Cascella says:

I use the the aluminum Fizan Compact 3’s right now. Twist lock and everything. Ive never had a single problem in years using aluminum twist lock poles. Ive heard people complain that the twist lock breaks and i dont understand how. Maybe because im a smaller dude…ive never had a problem.
Very rarely do i put my full body weight on my poles. Ill always buy the Fizans for the rest of my hiking life.

Erika O says:

Awesome reviews.

rrumple39 says:

I use the hiker hunger carbon fiber pole with cork handles. I bought them on Amazon for $80 and have been using them for a little over 2 years with no problem. The best part is that they weigh just over 1 Lb for the pair. Oh and BTW I’m a 250lb guy that tends to be pretty rough on my equipment and have hiked all over the uinta mountains in Utah and the Rocky Mountains in Colorado. These are hands down the best poles I have ever used.

Zach Rolf says:

Hey Bigfoot! Love watching your videos and in particular, your hats! I was just wondering where you got your Minnesota hat that you are wearing on this episode! Thanks man

Snooze5000 says:

If you use your pools heavily, it’s because you’re getting lazy

Atlas Titanium says:

We make titanium trekking poles. Virtually indestructible. Both solid poles and a two piece break down style. Slightly heavier but more useful. Also our snow baskets are titanium and cannot be broken like the brittle plastic snow discs found on common poles. Check em out!

B scott says:

I’ll take those Leki’s off your hands if you don’t want them…….

Jack Lakayat says:

Can you use the z-style trekking pole as a tent pole for the zpacks solplex (shorter side)? tnx. awesome videos.

BubblewrapOracle says:

Dang, the discounted poles are already sold out!

gibrigg says:

Trekking poles don’t pass the bombproof test for me. Judging by all the trekking pole detritus on the trail, there are a lot of dissatisfied users out there. I’m using a pair of sycamore sticks. Bombproof. If you lose one over the edge, you get a new one at the next stand of trees. Cost 0 euros/dinars/quid:)

Josh McDarris says:

Have your tried Cascade Mountain Sports trekking poles? There’s a giveaway going on right now: https://youtu.be/KO_yZj0-Jq0

cnawan says:

I like sticks. Poplar was chosen for shields back in the day because of it’s combination of lightness and (relative) strength, and there’s lots of poplars around here. 🙂 I just tie some webbing around them in a prussick loop for wrist support.

Follow Bigfoot says:

Aluminum Trekking poles I use & recommend :
Black Diamond Alpine FLZ (Current Poles): http://amzn.to/2GK9Kti

➜ Black Diamond Trail Pro: http://amzn.to/2GK13PH

➜ Black Diamond Trail Pro Shock (My AT Poles):
http://amzn.to/2poPZza

➜ Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork: http://amzn.to/2HMONgp

➜ Black Diamond Trail Back: http://amzn.to/2FX7QEB

➜ Leki Micro Vario Cor-tec: http://amzn.to/2FUltUU

➜ Leki Corklite; http://amzn.to/2ppoIxq

➜ CNOC Outdoors Aluminum & Cork: http://amzn.to/2FOVsdy

➜ Black Diamond Flex Tip parts: http://amzn.to/2HPcwwB

Carbon Fiber Poles I recommend(strong reviews):
➜ Black Diamond Alpine Carbon Cork: http://amzn.to/2FWlckn

➜ Leki Micro Vario Carbon: http://amzn.to/2G5WPUK

Muleys Cousin says:

QUESTION on a different subject: What kind of retirement plan do you have in your future, since you seem to be hiking all the time, and not paying into Social Security, which probably won’t be there when you reach retirement age, seriously ?
I’m already retired and I’m looking forward to hiking after I finish caring for my aging parents.

Julian KD says:

Buy some titanium poles. https://atlastitanium.com/

Tullochgorum says:

Try the PacerPole. A far more ergonomic and rational design. Used and endorsed by many of the most experienced long distance hikers here in the UK. No going back to conventional handles once you’ve tried them.

Dylan H says:

Spent $36 on a pair of Moment poles on Amazon and have gone probably 600-700 miles with them and have had zero issues. Are they marginally heavier? Sure. Do they perform any less better than any name brand poles you can buy? Absolutely not. Poles are poles as far as I’m concerned. So long as they are of decent quality, have a cork handle, and don’t snap after 100 miles, I don’t care about what other features they have.

h1an yhb7 says:

“comfortability” ? . . . . . Hello?

Kevin L says:

No pole can withstand being lodge in rocks and having a 180lb man and gravity violently imposing their forces on them. I’m not an engineer but those are some major forces.

Perry McCullough says:

I would love to see how you use your trekking poles. I haven’t found a good technique for saving my knees on a descent that works while maintining my stride.

Billy B says:

Costco poles are the best value $30 carbon fiber NOT $100 plus

Brocky Mountain says:

Great tips man! Fellow Minnesotan using your JMT tips for my own JMT hike this August.

TheEndTrend says:

What about hiking above treeline in the Rockies. Not getting struck by lightening is a pretty damn good reason to use carbon-fiber poles over aluminum!!

Daniel H says:

I use CF poles with no problem.
I have had to switch tips after about 700 miles on the ones I currently use, mostly because I have walked part of that on gravel roads and even asphalt.
Otherwise, I have never broke a CF walking pole, but I broke one for slalom skiing once.
But that was because I fell with the pole under me, so it had nothing to do with the larger stress put on ski poles under normal circumstances.

And my walking poles have cork handle and are adjustable with click locks.

If I put enough stress on them to break them once in a while, I would swap them out for aluminium, but as it is, I will continue with CF.

Tullochgorum says:

Try the PacerPole. A far more ergonomic and rational design. Used and endorsed by many of the most experienced long distance hikers here in the UK. No going back to conventional handles once you’ve tried them.

B Gray says:

Question for you: How do you know what size poles to order? Thanks in advance. BG

plutoplatters says:

i’m thinking if you ‘bonk” one of the billion rocks you trek by a tiny ding will compromise a carbon fiber pole… aluminum pole “skiing” can get them for nearly nothing… especially in thrift stores …. then you can put a ” Patagonia” sticker on them !!! ( harr har)

Francis C says:

Not $25 anymore lol

W1TRK says:

are any of these poles adjustable?

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